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Info, opinions about IDEA-NM (currently 7,086 views) |
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| Posted on: August 25th, 2006, 8:31pm |
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We were discussing this on our co-op board, but I had been meaning to also post here on the public homeschooling board to get anyone's opinions about IDEA-NM (Independent Distance Education Academy of New Mexico). Their stated mission is "to provide resources and support to parents who have elected to educate their children in their home or in another alternative setting." For more information, you can see their web site at http://www.idea-nm.org.
I'd love to hear anyone's opinion about the whole thing. Homeschoolers from other states where IDEA has come in are very much split on whether this is a good or bad thing. Here's an excerpt from one argument against IDEA. From the excerpt here, don't get the idea that it's just religious homeschoolers who are against IDEA; many homeschoolers who choose to educate in a less traditional/formal way are also against it.
Quoted Text From CAPE Action, dedicated to protecting, defending, and preserving home education.
An apparently innocuous series of meetings is scheduled in Socorro, Las Cruces, Alamogordo, Artesia, Roswell, Clovis, Santa Fe, and Albuquerque, presenting IDEA-NM to home schooling families. ...
CAPE is familiar with this particular program, and we have seen its devastating effect on the Christian home school community in other states, particularly in Alaska and Idaho. Briefly…
At inception, the freebies, computer and curriculum stipend, were completely free from government oversight. Single income home schooling families found the program nearly irresistible.
THEN…AFTER the families got used to the computers and the stipend, they began eliminating Christian textbook suppliers. Then they refused to reimburse families for any Christian curriculum material. But by then, it was too late. The state with the best home school law in the nation lost the momentum to protect, defend, and preserve the true freedom of home education.
THEY SAY: “The mission of the Independent Distance Education Academy (IDEA) of New Mexico program is to provide resources and support to parents who have elected to educate their children in their home or in another alternative setting. Our objective is to build and foster a community of learners which views education as not confined to the traditional four walls of a classroom, but a free-flowing exchange of knowledge and ideas worldwide through technology.”
WE SUGGEST: Their mission is to draw home schooled students into the Christless culture of government education and transfer control of home education to the public school system.
(THEY SAY) Access to allotment ($1,000 per student) from which the school district will purchase non-doctrinal educational materials for students, including texts, art supplies, science kits, software, educational games, and more! Allotments amounts are reduced after the official start of school and eliminated after December 15 for the current school year.
(WE SAY: If you won’t sell the soul of your home school for a free computer, perhaps $1000 in curricula is the incentive you need. But don’t think about it or pray about it too long. Decide now or lose out!
Do you remember how hard we fought to separate ourselves from the authority of the local school district?
Conclusion: If you want a man-centered, government-directed, home-based, taxpayer-funded education for your children, this may be the right program for you, but you won’t be home schooling. Your student will be enrolled in a government-controlled home-based school. HOWEVER! If you value Christ-centered, parent-directed, home-based, family-funded Christian home education, this could never be the right program for you!
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Elizabeth Mom to Eric (8 ) and Ruby (4.5) |
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| Posted on: August 25th, 2006, 8:34pm |
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And since I asked for other opinions, I guess I should state mine. Not exactly an opinion, just what I know from my sister being involved in this kind of charter in California:
My sister homechools her kids and lived until recently in California. She also went the charter route, with the charter basically offering her TONS of $ and lots of freedom. She felt she couldn't say no to several thousand dollars per year for her two kids that were currently homeschooling. She was allowed to use the $ for just about anything: ice skates, museum memberships, music lessons, books, all her school supplies, private tutors, etc etc.
She had a teacher/supervisor type person come to her house about once a month to check on the kids progress (I think she showed them some of their work) and had some paperwork to fill out and hand back. Her kids are fairly "model" school kids: diligent in their studies, enjoying the curriculum, etc and had no problem satisfying the charter requirements; my sister is fairly well organized and didn't feel the paperwork was too much of a chore.
As many homeschoolers in California had anticipated, the unrestricted charter money evolved over the years to being much more restricted (that is, not as much $ and for approved curriculum only) and so my sister opted out of the program a few years later. Although the underlying state gov't "plot" (for lack of a better word) to take a lot of the independence away from the homeschooling community was certainly anticipated and debated by a lot of California homeschoolers in advance, many of them like my sister didn't feel like they could say no to the large amount of $ being offered at first. |
Elizabeth Mom to Eric (8 ) and Ruby (4.5) |
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| Genevieve |
| Posted on: August 25th, 2006, 9:36pm |
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Mostly, I think the system is horrifically ignorant, to think that what homeschoolers want is a traditional, textbook, school-at-home education.
"Certified teaching staff assistance as needed"--no, thanks! "Curriculum standards"--uh, yeah. "Individual Learning Plan"--um, that's what homeschooling IS. It doesn't require reams of documentation and special programs to get an individual program. "PSAT/ACT/SAT available for secondary students"---and they already take it. "Online courses through a number of Universities [sic] providing high school and college credit"--yep, got that, too. "Workshops conducted throughout the year in major subject areas to assist both parents and students (Writing, Unit Studies, Computer Literacy, Science, High School Planning, and more)"--because NM is doing so great that they have something to teach me? I don't even think so. "Access to allotment ($1,000 per student) from which the school district will purchase non-doctrinal educational materials for students, including texts, art supplies, science kits, software, educational games, and more! Allotments amounts are reduced after the official start of school and eliminated after December 15 for the current school year."--the ONLY source of interest, but I don't want to have to choose nonsense from their list of textbooks and the like. And this is annoying: "Note: Any non-consumable items — including textbooks, microscopes, etc. — are the property of IDEA-NM and must be turned into the program following withdrawl from the program or when the materials are no longer needed for educational instruction in the home." No, thanks!
To many strings, and it'; obvious that these people think that a "good"" education looks just like an institutional eduation. Blech. |
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| Posted on: August 25th, 2006, 9:44pm |
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Quoted from Genevieve, posted August 25th, 2006, 9:36pm at hereMostly, I think the system is horrifically ignorant, to think that what homeschoolers want is a traditional, textbook, school-at-home education. |
Actually, I believe that there are many homeschoolers out there who do want that. While I don't go that route myself, my original post wasn't meant as an invitation to criticize those who would value what IDEA has to offer.
Please let's all keep in mind that this is meant as a support board more than a debate board and to keep people's feelings in mind as much as possible when posting your opinions and experiences.
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Elizabeth Mom to Eric (8 ) and Ruby (4.5) |
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| Twinville2 |
| Posted on: August 26th, 2006, 3:32am |
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This is only my own personal opinion.
My family decided to homeschool our children for several reasons, one of which was to have the freedom to choose how and what our children learn. We sure could use the money, but not at the expense of losing that freedom.
If I wanted that, I'd just put my kids back in public school. |
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| inginouity |
| Posted on: August 26th, 2006, 4:37am |
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Thanks for some insightful posts, Elizabeth. I have already tried to explain on another forum that sometimes re integrating your kid in public school could be for reasons outside of your control. I know I might have to myself, one day, for financial reasons. And sometimes reasons for homeschooling, like mine, are not discontent with the public schoolsystem.
And for whatever reason any homeschooler chooses to re integrate part time or full time, that choice should be respected. We are so diverse, luckely.
The disadvantage I saw in the IDEA thing was the fact that you had to commit to having your child undergo all the tests they required. I am not saying these tests would have been used later to slap us around the ears, they are free in wanting some sort of statistics on progress to determine weather the program is paying off. But since Jesusin and I are away and abroad so much, I felt like I could not commit myself to this.
Otherwise I might have been tempted. Like you say, if you feel it is beginning to conflict too much with your ideals, you can always opt out. And ideals are very personal, so some might never want to join this program and some, like you say and like myself, would not have had issues with some traditional textbook homeschooling.
Anyways
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| Posted on: August 28th, 2006, 6:03pm |
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Here's the writeup Katrina (elmuyloco5) contributed after attending the first informational meeting. I copied it here to hopefully keep a lot of the info about this in one place. Thanks so much for sharing this, Katrina!
Quoted Text Hi everyone!
I just wanted to pass along my experience at the IDEA meeting this last Friday incase you didn't get to go and still had questions about it.
I have to say, although I was already familiar with the program in Alaska, I was totally impressed by the way it will be run here in New Mexico. I know we have all read the emails sent out from CAPE and HSLDA on the matter, but for the most part, those organizations are completely misinformed (or choose to perpetuate a lie, I'm not sure which).
Here's the basics, but if you have any questions about the program in more detail, feel free to email me privately:
1. You choose your curriculum. This can be whatever you want, even a completely reglious curriculum in every subject possible. They cannot pay for religious curriculum because they are federally funded, but do not stop you from using your choice of programs. They basically have a vendor list that you can choose from. If you want to use something that is not on the list, you just simply contact them and let them know. They'll look into the curriculum and most of the time, will add it. If they decline it, you can still appeal and present your side and they will review it again. If it still isn't accepted, you can use it, you just can't use the money they give you to pay for it.
2. You get $1000 for each child that is enrolled, and if you have multiple children, they pool the money together in a "family fund". There are no distinctions on how much must be spent towards certain items. If you want to use full religious curriculum, then your money can go completely towards other things like school supplies, sports, clubs, music,dance, and art lessons, field trips, entrance into museums, etc.
3. Items that are deemed non-consumable (things that someone could use again) must be turned into them when your family is finished with them. But what is great about the program is that you can keep it as long as your family is still using them (even if the school year is up). This way, you don't have to re-buy the same text book over and over again, etc.
4. Standardized tests are required from 3rd grade on. They offer workshops to help kids get prepared for test taking (as well as the parents), as some of our kids have never taken a test. But, the great part of it is, the test doesn't really mean anything. If your kids fails the test, you don't have to leave the program or anything. I know that was always a fear for me when we were looking for places to move. I thought if I got in a state that required testing and my kids for some reason failed, the state would force my kids into public school. But, that just isn't so.
5. For the high schoolers out there, they offer classes for college credit through several large universities! They also offer career counseling.
6. As the program goes on and more and more people join, more opportunities open for group field trips, talent shows, etc.
7. They, of course, give you a computer and a printer/scanner/ copy/fax combo.
8. Your kids graduate with a fully accredited diploma and full transcripts so they can make an easy transition into college.
There's lots more of great little things about it, but that's the jist. I know it's not for everyone, but I think it could be a good alternative for some of us. And, if you don't like it, you can always take your kid out and go back to what you were doing before. I've been to lots of these meetings before with other organizations and was never impressed. This time was different, and the people were so nice and laid back. I hope you give them a try and if nothing else, try to open your mind and see the benefit that some families receive from this.
Have a great night everyone!!!
Katrina
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Elizabeth Mom to Eric (8 ) and Ruby (4.5) |
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| elmuyloco5 |
| Posted on: August 29th, 2006, 6:50pm |
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I would first like to thank some of you who have written down reasons that they chose not to use the IDEA program. For those of you who have viewed this thread, but have not written, could you please take a moment of your time to answer the following question:
Since I've went to the meeting, I've offered to be a Family Rep for IDEA (I basically talk to parents who would like help from another homeschooler instead of one of the administrators). Something the group has asked me to do, is to find out from parents who have chosen NOT to join IDEA, why they made that choice.
There have been a lot of positive changes to the program since it's birth in Alaska (Interior Distance Education Alaska is where it got the name). Those changes have occurred because parents have spoken their minds about what they would like to change.
If everyone wouldn't mind taking a second to let me know what you don't like about the IDEA program, or what you think might be missing, I will make note and discuss that with the Admininstrators. While I don't expect this program to ever suit everyone, there might be things that we haven't thought of that could make it better.
I promise that any personal info will not be shared with anyone at IDEA. I would just general issues to present to them.
Thanks so much, I appreciate your time!!! Katrina :O) |
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| Posted on: August 29th, 2006, 8:57pm |
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Hi there, Katrina. I was talking about this with my husband last night, to try to get a handle on the whole thing. Here are some random ideas that we threw out, if any are of use to you. I hope none of them appear to be insulting in any way, I just wanted to be honest about some doubts we (and probably others) have.
1. How much oversight in terms of WHAT is taught and HOW it is taught will there be? That is, how much independence will homeschoolers lose when taking IDEA's money?
2. What, aside from the required standardized test scores from grade 3 up, will be available to and/or reported to the government? That is, how much privacy willhomeschoolers lose when taking IDEA's money?
3. If a large percentage of homeschool families enrolled in IDEA, would that eventually have the effect of helping the government make the older, more independent, style of homeschooling illegal? The fewer independent homeschoolers out there, the less power they would have to affect laws that are passed in the future. That is, would enrollment in IDEA actually help lead to the dismantling of independent homeschooling, by requiring that all homeschoolers be enrolled an IDEA-style "charter homeschool." Has this happened in other states?
People have so many different reasons for valuing a home education for their children. For me, privacy and independence top the list, and I don't want any help from any public or private agency to educate my children. Money, however, is always welcome, and like other homeschoolers, my taxes go to pay for other children's education.
On the other hand... I've spoken to many, many home schoolers out there, especially the ones just starting out, who would very much value having access to a professional teacher to consult with them over their homeschooling plans, and to help them choose curriculum. Will help like that be offered by IDEA? |
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| Twinville2 |
| Posted on: August 29th, 2006, 11:29pm |
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I would like to shadow all of Elizabeth's questions posed to IDEA, as well as some of her reasons for thinking IDEA is not the right choice for her family.
And I do have one question, which is quite blunt: "What's in it for IDEA?" Really, how does signing up hundreds of independant homeschoolers to give them free items and money, who have been plodding along just fine until now, benefit IDEA-NM?
Why would I want to give up my family's freedom and independance, just for a few bucks and a free computer?
My father always told me gifts should come without obligation and gifts should be given generously, without stipulations.
If someone gives me a gift certificate to a book store and I plan on purchasing books that they wouldn't choose for themselves, it would be wrong for them to take back the gift certificate.
It seems to to me, that if the government would like to give those who choose to educate their children at home, some money and benefits, they should just do so.....without demands, stipulations or obligations.
Also, 'to test...or not to test' is a personal decision families make. Many homeschoolers disagree with standardized testing because the testing follows closely what children in public school are being taught, which is not fair to families who choose not to follow the same curriculum. A red flag goes up for me when a government entity tries to act nonchalant about testing, basically making homeschoolers think it's really no big deal, when it seems that it truly is. |
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| Gretchen |
| Posted on: August 31st, 2006, 8:48pm |
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Katrina, I really appreciate your efforts and insights in this matter. I have similar questions as those Elizabeth posed. When browsing the website, I found myself wishing things were explained in more detail. For example, one of the listed benefits is "Certified Teacher Staff Assistance as needed." I was left wondering what authority has the role of determining this need. Does that mean that when parents feel like they need assistance, it's available? Or does it mean that if someone at IDEA feels that my daughter needs help in a certain area, I would be compelled to accept such help? I hope this doesn't sound paranoid, but these are the kinds of questions I would have to have answered before enrolling my daughter.
Thanks for your help!
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| Gretchen |
| Posted on: August 31st, 2006, 11:31pm |
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I found some more info on the site that I thought would be quite relevant to making the decision whether or not to enroll. I'm sure quite a lot of homeschoolers would be entirely comfortable with these requirements, and that quite a lot of others would not. So hopefully this can help us each determine if it's right for us. I created an account and logged in, so that I could view the enrollment form. This is very simple to do (you just submit your name and create a username and password) so if you'd like to view the forms yourself, it only takes a few seconds. Here are the questions that are asked on the "compliance" form.
Are you able and/or willing to be connected to the Internet?
Do you agree to one parent being in the home to supervise children's education during school hours?
Will you bring your students to take all tests required by the New Mexico Department of Education? Are you willing to submit an Individual Learning Plan (ILP) for each student?
Ar you willing to submit four (4) Progress Reports (PRs) for each student each year (one per Quarter)?
Do you agree to submit Immunization Records for each of your students enrolling in IDEA of New Mexico?
Do you agree to submit required quarterly samples of student workfor each child in Language Arts and Math? |
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| carissanichols |
| Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 4:14am |
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| carissanichols |
| Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 4:19am |
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Yes, I also wonder . . . what's in it for their organization? Why do they care about empowering/supporting us with these offers? To gain control, to promote homeschooling, to learn of our lifestyle/private choices, to help us out of the kindness of their hearts, or to make sure "no child is left behind?" Honestly, this answer would be of paramount importance to me. I very much wonder if the answer is polished and political or of heartfelt-concern for the wellbeing of our family choices. I'm not throwing stones; but, I can't help but feel a bit suspicious. I've been hurt before! (ha ha, that part was supposed to make you laugh!) |
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| Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 4:46am |
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If I understand correctly (and I may not!) IDEA is a for-profit company. I have to assume that what's "in it" for them is profit. I don't know that there's anything inherently bad about that. Some private schools are also in it for a profit, although they (like IDEA) would no doubt claim to hold high ideals about education as well.
Carissa, maintaining immunization records (or a waiver of immunization) is also a requirement for us homeschoolers. http://www.abqhomeschool.com/nmlaws.html |
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