Info, opinions about IDEA-NM :: Albuquerque Homeschool Forum

Posted on: August 29th, 2006, 6:50pm

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I would first like to thank some of you who have written down reasons that they chose not to use the IDEA program. For those of you who have viewed this thread, but have not written, could you please take a moment of your time to answer the following question:

Since I've went to the meeting, I've offered to be a Family Rep for IDEA (I basically talk to parents who would like help from another homeschooler instead of one of the administrators). Something the group has asked me to do, is to find out from parents who have chosen NOT to join IDEA, why they made that choice.

There have been a lot of positive changes to the program since it's birth in Alaska (Interior Distance Education Alaska is where it got the name). Those changes have occurred because parents have spoken their minds about what they would like to change.

If everyone wouldn't mind taking a second to let me know what you don't like about the IDEA program, or what you think might be missing, I will make note and discuss that with the Admininstrators. While I don't expect this program to ever suit everyone, there might be things that we haven't thought of that could make it better.

I promise that any personal info will not be shared with anyone at IDEA. I would just general issues to present to them.

Thanks so much, I appreciate your time!!!
Katrina :O)

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Posted on: August 29th, 2006, 8:57pm

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Hi there, Katrina. I was talking about this with my husband last night, to try to get a handle on the whole thing. Here are some random ideas that we threw out, if any are of use to you. I hope none of them appear to be insulting in any way, I just wanted to be honest about some doubts we (and probably others) have.

1. How much oversight in terms of WHAT is taught and HOW it is taught will there be? That is, how much independence will homeschoolers lose when taking IDEA's money?

2. What, aside from the required standardized test scores from grade 3 up, will be available to and/or reported to the government? That is, how much privacy willhomeschoolers lose when taking IDEA's money?

3. If a large percentage of homeschool families enrolled in IDEA, would that eventually have the effect of helping the government make the older, more independent, style of homeschooling illegal? The fewer independent homeschoolers out there, the less power they would have to affect laws that are passed in the future. That is, would enrollment in IDEA actually help lead to the dismantling of independent homeschooling, by requiring that all homeschoolers be enrolled an IDEA-style "charter homeschool." Has this happened in other states?

People have so many different reasons for valuing a home education for their children. For me, privacy and independence top the list, and I don't want any help from any public or private agency to educate my children. Money, however, is always welcome, and like other homeschoolers, my taxes go to pay for other children's education.

On the other hand... I've spoken to many, many home schoolers out there, especially the ones just starting out, who would very much value having access to a professional teacher to consult with them over their homeschooling plans, and to help them choose curriculum. Will help like that be offered by IDEA?

Elizabeth
Mom to Eric (8 ) and Ruby (4.5)

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Posted on: August 29th, 2006, 11:29pm

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I would like to shadow all of Elizabeth's questions posed to IDEA, as well as some of her reasons for thinking IDEA is not the right choice for her family.

And I do have one question, which is quite blunt: "What's in it for IDEA?" Really, how does signing up hundreds of independant homeschoolers to give them free items and money, who have been plodding along just fine until now, benefit IDEA-NM?

Why would I want to give up my family's freedom and independance, just for a few bucks and a free computer?

My father always told me gifts should come without obligation and gifts should be given generously, without stipulations.

If someone gives me a gift certificate to a book store and I plan on purchasing books that they wouldn't choose for themselves, it would be wrong for them to take back the gift certificate.

It seems to to me, that if the government would like to give those who choose to educate their children at home, some money and benefits, they should just do so.....without demands, stipulations or obligations.

Also, 'to test...or not to test' is a personal decision families make. Many homeschoolers disagree with standardized testing because the testing follows closely what children in public school are being taught, which is not fair to families who choose not to follow the same curriculum. A red flag goes up for me when a government entity tries to act nonchalant about testing, basically making homeschoolers think it's really no big deal, when it seems that it truly is.

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Gretchen

Posted on: August 31st, 2006, 8:48pm

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Katrina, I really appreciate your efforts and insights in this matter. I have similar questions as those Elizabeth posed. When browsing the website, I found myself wishing things were explained in more detail. For example, one of the listed benefits is "Certified Teacher Staff Assistance as needed." I was left wondering what authority has the role of determining this need. Does that mean that when parents feel like they need assistance, it's available? Or does it mean that if someone at IDEA feels that my daughter needs help in a certain area, I would be compelled to accept such help? I hope this doesn't sound paranoid, but these are the kinds of questions I would have to have answered before enrolling my daughter.

Thanks for your help!

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Gretchen

Posted on: August 31st, 2006, 11:31pm

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I found some more info on the site that I thought would be quite relevant to making the decision whether or not to enroll. I'm sure quite a lot of homeschoolers would be entirely comfortable with these requirements, and that quite a lot of others would not. So hopefully this can help us each determine if it's right for us. I created an account and logged in, so that I could view the enrollment form. This is very simple to do (you just submit your name and create a username and password) so if you'd like to view the forms yourself, it only takes a few seconds. Here are the questions that are asked on the "compliance" form.

Are you able and/or willing to be connected to the Internet?

Do you agree to one parent being in the home
to supervise children's education during school hours?

Will you bring your students to take all tests required
by the New Mexico Department of Education?

Are you willing to submit an Individual Learning Plan (ILP)
for each student?

Ar you willing to submit four (4) Progress Reports (PRs)
for each student each year (one per Quarter)?

Do you agree to submit Immunization Records
for each of your students enrolling in IDEA of New Mexico?

Do you agree to submit required quarterly samples
of student workfor each child in Language Arts and Math?

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 4:14am

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I wonder why immunization records are relevant?

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 4:19am

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Yes, I also wonder . . . what's in it for their organization? Why do they care about empowering/supporting us with these offers? To gain control, to promote homeschooling, to learn of our lifestyle/private choices, to help us out of the kindness of their hearts, or to make sure "no child is left behind?" Honestly, this answer would be of paramount importance to me. I very much wonder if the answer is polished and political or of heartfelt-concern for the wellbeing of our family choices. I'm not throwing stones; but, I can't help but feel a bit suspicious. I've been hurt before!

(ha ha, that part was supposed to make you laugh!)

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 4:46am

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If I understand correctly (and I may not!) IDEA is a for-profit company. I have to assume that what's "in it" for them is profit. I don't know that there's anything inherently bad about that. Some private schools are also in it for a profit, although they (like IDEA) would no doubt claim to hold high ideals about education as well.

Carissa, maintaining immunization records (or a waiver of immunization) is also a requirement for us homeschoolers. http://www.abqhomeschool.com/nmlaws.html

Elizabeth
Mom to Eric (8 ) and Ruby (4.5)

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Gretchen

Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 12:46pm

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I've been told that Lisa Bell-Johnston is the person to contact, so I'm going to be calling her later today with a few questions. If anyone has any more questions they'd like me to add, please let me know.

I'm sure Elizabeth is right, and "what's in it for them" simply boils down to money. I talked with my husband about it last night, and his thought was that they are, in a sense, helping us get "back" some of the money we pay in taxes to support public schools, so it could potentially be mutually beneficial.

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Crystal_Miller

Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 4:34pm

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I already voiced my concerns on our private list but wanted to just pull some info to put here. Coming from CA and watching our freedoms begin dwindling, so many of my friends unhappy, added pressures upon friends children, and many of our homeschool groups segregating over the issue...I really feel it necessary to put some articles here. If you are thinking of joining, please please please think about homeschooling in all of our futures, our childrens futures, our grandchildrens futures, etc. and not just for a few bucks today. I pulled these very quickly and I am sure that if you google: "Problems for Homeschoolers with Charter Schools" that you could find many more. This, for me, has been a battle I watched for 5 or so years now. I thought that moving from CA that I would never have to think about it again....BUMMER!!!
http://homeschooling.gomilpitas.com/weblinks/HSatSchool.htm

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 5:29pm

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Hi Ladies,

I just got off a conference call with IDEA and would like to pass along all of the info that I learned. I appologize for not having complete info to begin with, but as I said, I'm a new mom to all of this too.

Here are the basic Program Requirements (if you ever feel like you can't find enough of the info you are looking for on the program, please let me know, or contact one of the administrators listed on their contact page and we can all help you).

1. You will have to first sign up (and each year you need to let them know you wish to stay enrolled), this requires a copy of the child's birth certificate, vaccination records, and proof of residency in New Mexico. You will also fill out a form that explains that your child will have to take a standardized test at the end of the year (by the way, they are the same tests that public school children take in the state....at the end of the year.....once they hit third grade) and a place for you to agree to this. You will be required to attend an orientation meeting that will provide you with everything you need to get set up as well as answer all those questions you might have thought of. These will be held by Family Reps in your local area, or you can call and talk on the phone if you are unable to make the meeting times.

2. You will set up an ILP (individualized learning plan), due by Sept. This will cover your learning goals for the year, how you will assess your child's progress, etc). There are people available to help you with the process. It is still ALL your choice what the child is going to cover that year, they just help you with the actual format of the form since most of us have not made one before. They are also available if you would like suggestions on what to teach as some parents may require that. Also, ILP's can be changed throughout the year as you need to (kid breaks a leg and can't do the sport you chose; you find something new you'd like to take your kid to that fits their learning goals).

3. Once you have your ILP, you will be alloted $1000 per child, and if you have more than 1, the money will be set up in a famliy account. You will then start to shop the vendor list for items that you will need to help you fullfill your ILP. There are vendors that sell specific curriculums (like Singapore Math), ones that sell a variety of curriculums and other school supplies, vendors that sell scientific equipment, art supplies, music supplies and instruments, as well as places like Office Depot, Hastings, etc. If you can't find a particular item that you would like on the list, you can request that it be put there. They are very quick with it (did one for me in an hour). If they can't place them on their vendor list, you can still use the item at your cost. There are no rules put on the $1000 determining what types of items, portions of the money must go to. If you would like to spend $1000 on your child's music lessons this year, you may. You will just have to spend your own money for the rest of what you need.

4. Once you have found your list of items that you would like purchased, you will submit your order form online to IDEA. They check to see that your items correspond with the goals you have set on your ILP. (This is so parents can't go buy a cell phone for themselves at Office Depot and use their kids money. It's a shame that they have to check like this, but lets face it, there are people out there who would try it). If they have any questions about your items, they'll just call and talk to you so they can understand what you plan on using them for in your teachings. Then they place the order for you and send it off to you. (High School students also have the opportunity to take college courses for both high school, and college credit).

5. You will then start school (and by the way, there is no set schedule....you can teach all year long, or Sept to May, or Oct to June, etc, etc. You just need to let them know your basic plan for a time frame as you still have to abide by New Mexico Homeschooling Law and kids must attend for 180 days).

6. You will be assigned a teacher for each child you enroll. Sometimes the teacher will be the same for all of your children, and sometimes not. You are required to have contact with the teacher once a month. This can be by email, phone, or face to face in your local area as your needs arise. No one will show up at your home to observe your kids. But they are there to get advice from, listen to problems that you might be having, and to get a general overview of how things are going that month for your child. (By the way, Family Reps, like me, are here to also talk to if you feel you'd like to talk to another homeschooler. We will happily listed to your troubles and frustrations with homeschooling/subjects/curriculum/whatever). If your child is high school aged, they offer career planning. They also ask that you check the website weekly to look for any important news that they need to get out to you.

7. 2 to 4 times a year, you will be asked to make a progress report for your child. You don't have to give A's and B's, you can give Excellent, Satisfactory, whatever as long as you identify, for IDEA, what those "grades" mean. For high school level, they require real grading (you determine the actual scale), but with that they suply your child with a full transcript and a accredited diploma just like they would at public school. This allows for ease into college.

8. 4 to 5 times a year you will be asked to submit a few work samples from your child.

9. Once a year, after your child begins the 3rd grade, they will be required to take a standardized test appropriate for the child's grade level. This is provided by IDEA and set up in a testing facility in your local area and will consist of small groups of children. This test is called the New Mexico Criteron Reference Assessment. It is not typically normed to the national standards, but standards of other children in New Mexico. They are not a means of determining pass or fail, rather they are an indicator of the progress of your child. NO child will fail or be thrown from the program for this. If your child is having difficulty in some areas, they will merely offer you tools to help your child. If they find many kids are having difficulties in a certain are, they will offer a workshop to help out. You DO NOT have to attend if you don't wish. Once your child hits high school age, they will have to take a High School Compentancy Test. This is a one time test that can be taken after 9th grade. This is a 3 part test (writing, languare arts, and math). If they fail any portion of the test, they can take those portions the next year and so on until graduation date. If they never pass all three, they will be given a transcript of their time in IDEA, but cannot recieve a diploma. They've never had a child not receive their diploma. They also offer PSAT, SAT and ACT for the older children. (As an aside, you don't need to teach your child at grade level if you have an advanced kid, however, they will be tested at their grade level, not the level you teach).

10. You will also be given a computer (desktop for most families or laptop for those with 4 or more kids or high school aged children) and a multi-function printer/scanner/fax/copier to use. If you have 4 or more children enrolled, you can receive an additional computer.

11. Once your family is finished with any non-consumable materials (computer and printer included), you must return them to IDEA. However, as long as your family can use them, even if the school year is up and you need them for the next school year, you may keep the items.

That's it for the program.....really pretty simple.

Some additional things they offer are :

-- Resource Room: This is where all of the non-consumables go when parents return them. They will be set up in major metro areas, but are accessible to all across the state. You can call them up and ask if they have something that you need, and it's sent to you.....with no money taken out of your allotment.

-- Student Activities: as the program grows (and some will be in place from the beginning), there will be book clubs, Battle of the Books, spelling bees, talent shows, Showcase Evenings (your child can come dance for an audience, hang up a special piece of art, etc), and group field trips.

-- There will also be various parent and student workshops available , curriculum fairs, and Parent Teacher groups.

You can take part in as many or as little as you like. There are no requirements on involvement.

Hope this helps answer some questions. Please feel free to contact me with any other you may have. If you don't have my phone number and would like to talk in person, please email me and I will get that to you.

Have a great day,
Katrina

elmuyloco5@gmail.com

IDEA's website: http://idea-nm.org/

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 5:46pm

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Thanks, Gretchen, Crystal, and Katrina, all very interesting input.

I think I may inadvertently have misled a few people I was talking to about this yesterday, because I thought it was being started NEXT year. In fact, this program is starting with THIS school year, is that right?

If IDEA-NM is starting up for this year, I do have a quetion or two for Gretchen or Katrina. Is there a deadline to sign up? I know that Katrina mentioned that an ILP has to be completed "by September". What does that mean to families who may be interested but have not yet signed up? School for APS has already started. Is there an "official school year" for IDEA-NM? If so, when does it start?

Another question: There's mention made that immunization records must be submitted. But my understanding is that the public schools will also accept instead an immunization waiver form, which you can fill out to say that you object to immunizations on religious grounds or whatever. Does IDEA-NM accept a waiver form?

Crystal, I'd be interested in details from you of just how homeschooling rights in California have eroded since the homeschool charters started. Maybe this info is in the link you gave, I just haven't had time yet to look at that. But the erosion of independent homeschooling is certainly a concern of mine.

Thanks again, all! And a HUGE THANK YOU for keeping this conversation so considerate. I know this is a subject that engenders very strong feelings for some of us (myself included)!

Elizabeth
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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 6:36pm

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I wanted to add quickly for those of you who asked about vaccinations, they just ask for the records because all public schools do. They, however, don't require that you have your children vaccinated. If, for whatever reason, your family doesn't vaccinate, they just want you to put in a note saying that you do not chose to vaccinate. You don't have to put the reason.

Yes the program is starting very soon and enrollment has already started. I don't have an exact date for a deadline. Because this is new, they will be more leaniant at first, but if you are interested signing up is SOOOOOOOO easy. You can do that on their website http://idea-nm.org/. It's very fast and the processing is too. You will then mail your paper copies of the items needed and they will finishing processing you this way. You DO NOT have to have those papers in to be accepted, it just completes your acceptance into the program. We received our acceptance letter today and I just mailed my paper copies yesterday. There will be an "official" dealine for enrollment and also to tell them that you would like to stay enrolled next year, but I don't have that date right now. I will find out for sure what the end date will be for acceptance this year.

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 7:45pm

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One last thing, to clear up any confusion......IDEA is a Non-profit organization. This program is so different from the others being used out there like Connections Academy, K12, etc. I'm not a salesman, I don't make any money by telling you all this stuff. I'm just a homeschooling mom of three little ones whose joining the program and wanted to share the info with others who might benefit. I hope I haven't offended anyone with my posts, as I am not trying to. I just wanted to get info out there.

Have a great day!
Katrina

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Gretchen

Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 8:28pm

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Hi Everyone. I talked to Lisa at IDEA on the phone today, and I have to say that I was very impressed. For others that might be interested, I wanted to let you know that she warmly welcomes you to call or email her, or to attend a meeting that she's holding on Thursday evening. She also said that if Thursday night doesn't work, we could arrange another time to meet with her Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. Please let me know if you are interested in doing that, and I'll try to coordinate it. Her email is davelisa@mtaonline.net and her number is (907)-841-7786.

I realize that there are a lot of homeschoolers who are very uncomfortable with this. I'm not trying to promote it or change anyone's mind. But the more I have learned about it, the more interested I have become. I do feel that some of the accusations (not by those here, but by CAPE and HSLDA) were excessive and unfounded. Still, I understand that there are completely valid concerns regarding risk, freedoms, privacy, etc. I don't think anyone should do anything they're not comfortable with. I would just encourage anyone who is curious to check it out for themselves, and not rely on anyone else's opinion (including mine!).

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 8:48pm

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is the info about the meeting on their website? I think it would be easiest for us to just go hear it first hand, KWIM? Then i don't have to pass along info to my hubby. . .

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 9:56pm

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The meeting is at 7pm on Thurs in ABQ and I will find out the location for you. The Reps are meeting on the 8th and 9th for training, so I will be there if anyone would like to meet and get extra info on it, or you can call me too. If you'd like my number, or want me to call you, please email me privately.

I spoke with Lisa and so far there is NOT a deadline for this year, so if you are interested, please don't feel you are too late. I'm sure there will eventually be a point at which they stop for the year, but since this is so new, they are trying to give people enough time to start up in their local area.

Hey Gretchen, are you going to become a Rep?

Katrina
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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 11:29pm

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I am organizing that meeting on Thursday. It is at 7pm at the Flying Star on Manaul. If anyone has any questions let me know!

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Posted on: September 1st, 2006, 11:34pm

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I had picked that location because I thought there was only going to be a few people! Do you all think I need to pick a different location? Should I look for a meeting room somewhere else? Let me know and I can keep you posted on the location. I only have two people from my homeschool group going. How many from this group are planning on going?

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 12:11am

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Hey Dawn,

I heard about you this morning on the conference call

Hope your move is going smoothly. We're ex-Navy, just got out a few months ago as a matter of fact, and got a job up at the Lab. We should keep intouch as we come down to ABQ quite a bit. I won't be able to make the meeting on the 7th (my hubby is working), but we will be down the 8th and 9th for training.

Have a great night!
Katrina

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 12:35am

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It is always scarry when someone says they "heard about you" LOL! I was not able to make the confrence call today! We are having MAJOR MOVING ISSUES. Believe me when I say I would have NO LUCK at all if I didn't have bad luck!! I am sorry I won't see you on Thursday but I will see you on Friday I am not sure I will be there on Saturday we are moving that weekend, plus we have our back to homeschool party for our group! I NEED A VACATION!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 12:45am

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Ha!! I know what you mean! Moving is very stressful! Our move to Hawaii ended up in over $8000 worth of damage.....this move wasn't as bad.,...but we'd didn't have much left

Well I look forward to meeting you. I hope your move goes well. If you need me to do a little extra while things are so crazy for you, let me know! We're pretty much unpacked here, just few things to organize and some furniture to wait to be delivered....and of course, decorate...but that's no big deal.

Well, I'll see you next weekend...have a good night...and if there is anything I can help out with....let me know.

Katrina

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 2:40am

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Hello;

Hope that I do this right as I have never done this before.

This whole discussion of IDEA-NM has been very interesting. I have very direct and personal experience with this program in Alaska and the things that are being said about the program don't resemble my experiences at all.

I have always homeschooled my daughter and she is now 14 years old. We moved to New Mexico in 2003. Up until that time we were enrolled in IDEA in Alaska. We missed the first year of IDEA enrollment because we didn't find out about it in time and the program filled up before we could enroll. We joined when my daughter was in 1st grade and belonged until we left Alaska. I watched IDEA grow and grew with it. I have nothing but praise and admiration for the people that conceived the program. The hardest part of leaving Alaska was leaving my IDEA group, the support staff in the office, my teacher contact, the field rep and the PAC( Parent Advisory Committee). For the first time in my homeschooling life I was alone and to this day have not found anything to compare to the network that was developed through the IDEA model.

I went to the meetings last week ( I was the only one at the 1PM session) and I spent the entire hour questioning the IDEA team as to the differences between the original program and the NM program. I also asked of any changes that had occured during the past three years. I was so excited that I offered to become a field rep. to help the program get going. If you don't mind I would like to give my impressions of the program from the perspective and understanding of an end user of the system.

I will try to answer your comments from the beginning. Please try to separate the IDEA-International team from IDEA-NM. The IDEA-International team are the people here consulting with the Raton School district on the organization and set-up of the IDEA-NM program. Those of us that choose to join will end up being part of the Raton School District enrolled in the IDEA-NM program. Just as La Cueva, Eldorado and Desert Ridge are schools in the APS system. IDEA-NM is a school in the Raton School District. The IDEA-International team is a group that was formed from some of the people that worked with Galena School District (a school district in Alaska) to create the IDEA model. After they set-up the program here it will be run entirely by members of the Raton School district as a long distance learning program. It is also my understanding that this is not a homeschool charter school. They have a different model and structure. By the way it took 3 years of work for this program to come to New Mexico.

We never saw cut-backs in the Alaska program unlike the California program. We vere never promised anything that we weren't given. We were told of the requirements and restrictions from the beginning. There were always restrictions as to the type of curriculum that could be purchased with the funds. We never had home visits and the teacher contact did not have the time to micromanage curriculum content. There was no oversight in terms of what was taught but there was an expectation that all parents wanted their children to have knowledge that is understood to be essential. The ILP were developed with that in mind. For example, we all understand that it is necessary to have a working knowledge of arithmetic and that it is essential to read and write well.

Certified teachers were available and the parents determined if and when they wanted more help. My daughter is dyslexic, has ADD, ADHD, dysgraphia and some short term memory problems. I have never used letter grades and many times the ILP and progress report would not match. I was never chastised, questioned or given the suggestion that I needed help. I did go several times and ask about curriculum, and many times I used the staff to bounce ideas off. Near the end of our time in Alaska the program became large enough to support a group that worked with children with disabilities and we used that service also. I remember several times going in despair to the IDEA office and crying on the shoulder of anyone that would listen. They listened and gave me very constructive ideas.

With regards to the bad affect that such programs have had on homeschooling in these states. Alaska has a population of 600,000 people and IDEA is but one of the cyber schools that exsist. Just Google Alaska- homeschool- government programs and search around and you will find that there are at least 6 other programs in Alaska based on the IDEA model. These programs have empowered homeschoolers in Alaska. I remember Alaska before this program came into being and we had almost no voice. IDEA came into being and we were organized and informed. There are over 3,000 homeschoolers registered in IDEA Alaska and we became a force for change. Prior to the program homeschoolers could not participate in any public school activities, just as in New Mexico. When I left any homeschooler could participate in any program at a public school without restriction. We became a force to be reckoned with and a group to be courted. We had a curriculum fair that rivaled anything that I have seen here in New Mexico. All this in a state with 1/5 the population of NM.

When CAPE-NM sent out it's warning email I did not recognize the program that was described. I cannot but think that somehow they have information that is incorrect. With regards to HSLDA I joined in Alaska under a group rate organised by IDEA in Alaska. Our group was given an Ideafamilies identity to register with. I am confused as to why they would now cast us off. I am sure that many homeschoolers in Alaska will be surprised to find that they have wasted their money over the years to join a group that would not help them. I belonged to HSLDA for seven years and I am very disppointed that it was not made clear that I would have no support from their organization.

Sorry if this is so long but I feel that this is a wonderful organization that is being given a bad time for no good reason. I can't but think that if the truth were known then there would not be the bad feelings toward the program. I am sure that there are many questions out there. Please feel free to contact me privately if you want to know more.

thanks,
Loretta Eaton

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Thanks for your input, Loretta. I especially value the contributions of someone with first-hand experience of IDEA.

When you say that IDEA is being given a "bad time," I hope you mean by HSDLA and CAPE-NM, and not by the people on this forum. We're just here throwing out questions and trying to come to terms with how we feel about this new home education choice that's being offered in New Mexico.

I also appreciate that those of you who are (or will be) paid by IDEA-NM are identifying yourselves that way in your posts. That shows a lot of sensitivity on your part, because I think people do like to know that. I don't mean to suggest that your opinions are slanted because of that, just that it's something people want to find out sooner rather than later, if that makes sense...?

Elizabeth
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Gretchen

Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 3:51am

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Dawn, I plan to attend the meeting. But for others here who can't make it at that time, Lisa told me she'd be happy to organize another chance to meet with people.

Loretta, I really appreciate you sharing your experience with us!

Katrina, wow, I hadn't even though of becoming a Rep! Let me get my feet wet first and see how it goes.

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akjlfarnold

Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 4:33am

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We would like to come to the meeting too, is it something our kids are welcome at? How long is the meeting? Just need to get a feel for if we need to find a babysitter!

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 4:34am

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Elizabeth, I can not speak for Loretta, but I for one respect this conversation on this board, at least you all asked for information instead of just jumping to a conclusion. I respect that. CAPE and HSLDA just were brutal and I was really shocked at some of the things that were said. I also used a similar organization when we were in Florida, I used it my first year as a homeschooler and I am not sure that I would have made it through my first year without a program like it. I am also not sure that I would have continued to homeschool and I guarantee that I would not be leading a homeschool group. My charter experience gave me the confidence I needed to do it on my own and when I found out NM was getting a similar program I jumped on it and was excited to sign on as a rep. And the main reason I wanted to sign on as a rep was to get the truth out there.
I know the program is not for everyone. But I can only see the good in it, I can not tell you how many times I have told people I homeschool and they have said to me, I have thought about homeschooling but I don't think I could do it. How nice would it be to have been able to say well you could try using this program and with the help of a registered teacher you can try homeschooling it won't cost you any money and you have nothing to lose. Then that is another family that we are getting to homeschool.

I appreciate anyone who is honest. This program is not for everyone and I would never pressure anyone to do something they do not feel is right for their family.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 4:39am

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Both my husband and I are going there for our kids will be there. I am bringing someone in my homeschool group and her son is coming. I am going to see if I can get someone to watch my youngest cause he is a handful but kids are fine. For those of you that have never been to the flying star it is pretty laid back, they have magazines for the kids to look through or you can bring books or things for them to do. I am going to get there early and try to get the back corner and get some tables put together. That is what we have done for some homeschool mother's night outs.

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akjlfarnold

Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 4:43am

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Excellent, thank you! I love things where my kids are welcome! In that case, we will definitely be there.

Another question i keep meaning to ask, if we choose to enroll one and not the other of our kids, is that ok? Does it have to be a whole family deal?

Karen

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 1:10pm

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Loretta,

This is Katrina, I met you at the later info session in Santa Fe. From what I understand, we are going through the same type things in our area as Questa and Los Alamos are very similar.

Thanks , so much for your post of personal experience with the program. Would you mind anyone copying it to use as a testamonial for some of the online communities that might like to hear from someone with experience? Although we were only briefly familiar with the program in Alaska when we were looking to move there, we could tell that it was unlike the others we had seen before. I wish we were aware of the program in Hawaii, but all the organizations that we contacted, never told us about it. It's the finest example as to why the Reps are trying to get the word out to parents. How else are they gong to know about it? We had no idea that they were in other states either, we just knew them as the Interior Distance Education Alaska.

To everyone else:

We love Los Alamos though, and feel that we have hit the jackpot all of a sudden. My husband has a nice job (finally after 9 years in the Navy), there are at least 15 kids on our street all within 2 years of my kids ages (and bizzarly enough....all on the same side of the street), our rent is incredibly low for the area and it's a beautiful home, we love the mountains and the trees, and we are lucky enough to have hiking trails right across the street from our house! We've said it would be the perfect place if we had the educational opportunities they have in Alaska. When I got the email about IDEA, I was screaming! I couldn't believe my eyes.

I've been acused lately (on another board) of trying to push parents into this program for commission (they just assumed we were being paid for this because my posts show excitement (which the family reps will be in the future, but not commission and not to get people in). They just don't understand how blessed I feel to get to have this program. We've been just scraping by for almost a decade now. Military pay is pathetic for low ranking enlistedmen. And while our new job is huge improvement, my husband isn't a scientist and he isn't making the 6 figures that many are up here. I'm thrilled to have the extra money to get the things we could never afford for our kids. I'm thrilled that we are finally going to have a homeschool community and group activities that we've never had before. Maybe this seems silly to some of you out there, but this is a dream come true for us. This is exactly what my husband and I have been praying for, and we're finally going to get it.

I would never want to push anyone into a program that isn't right for their family. But, I urge those of you who are against it, just take a closer look. I'm not asking you to join, but maybe you'll learn what the program is really about, so you can understand better why some of us are choosing it.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 1:21pm

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Sorry, I was reading through all of the posts again and realized that Elizabeth asked about my Sept deadline for the ILP's. I applogize for any confusion.....that will be the ongoing rule for next year. Because they got such a late start while waiting for the state to give the "go ahead", it's not a deadline for this year. I haven't personally done mine yet. They are working very hard though to get everyone who wishes to enroll, set up. I was told in my acceptance letter that I would be contacted in a few days by my teacher to set up our ILP. So, please don't feel that you cannot still enroll. They are unsure when they will stop enrollment this year, and as soon as I find out, I will let you know.

And, as well, I appologize if I haven't made it clear that I will be a Family Rep. When I said I don't get money for telling you this, it is true. I have not received a dime for anything I have said to you. I will be starting my training next weekend and I'm assuming I will be signing all the employment type paperwork then. I am not, though, employed by them at the moment and my job does not depend on me getting any of you signed up in thr program. IDEA just asked us to spread the word as they don't have a good way to reach the homeschoolers here.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 1:31pm

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Quoted from ILuvMy3Byz, posted September 1st, 2006, 11:29pm at here

I am organizing that meeting on Thursday. It is at 7pm at the Flying Star on Manaul. If anyone has any questions let me know!

Just confirming the meeting time . . . we're going to come and look into this further . . . it's intriguing

So, it's Thursday, September 7th at 7p.m. at the Flying Star on Menaul, right?

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 1:53pm

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I'm genuinely trying to learn more . . .

Question 1: I'm still unclear as to how this benefits IDEA-NM. So, I understand that they are a non-profit, yes? How do they afford to give $1000 away - is this a grant they're receiving from the govt., etc.? Maybe I don't understand how non-profits work as well as I thought . . . very possible.

Question 2: Is there a minimum age requirement?

Question 3: Are there approved vendors or can we select our own materials with complete freedom? I understand of course, that we can always purchase our own materials with complete freedom; but, perhaps not with IDEA-NM's money.

Thanks for bearing with me!

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 2:15pm

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Hi Carissa,

I'll answer your questions.

1. IDEA receives money from the government for each student enrolled, just like a public school. With this money, they provide the allotment for our use as well as the computers and printers. They also use any extra money to run the organization, hire teachers, pay for the admin buildings, and salaries for employees. What a non-profit means is that they aren't making money above and beyond their costs. And if they receive donations, this money isn't going to line someone's pockets, it's put into the program to offer more to everyone involved by way of extra acivities and such.

2. The age requirement to start Kindergarten is to be 5 by, I think, June 1st of the year. I've asked the date previously, but they are trying to find out state law on that one. You can still teach that child, you just won't receive funding for that kid. I don't know if this will work for you, but my kids are close in age, so they get taught together for the most part. I'm getting the texts and workbooks for my 6 year old from IDEA and my 4 year old (turning 5 in Oct.) I will buy the workbooks for. So, I'm still saving money on his education because I have the textbooks, I just have to buy the consumable stuff.

3. If you go to the IDEA site http://idea-nm.org/ , there is a brown banner that goes across the page. Click on "Vendors". This is the current list of their vendors. Some are just companies with only their curriculum, like Singapore, and others are homeschool catalog type vendors with multiple companies of curriculum available. There are also science suppliers, art suppliers, etc. If you don't see something that you want specifically, let us know and IDEA will check them out. If they are non-doctrinal, they can be added to the list. Of course all doctrinal materials are still able to be used, but because it is a federally funded program, IDEA cannot pay for those. You CAN use them, however, and purchase other items you may need with the money instead.

And I should add, you can pick out your curriculum with total freedom. Items that will be paid for must correspond with the learning plan you chose. Which just means that you can't go pick out something crazy that doesn't make sense for what you said you wanted your kid to learn. You can alter the ILP though if you change your mind about something. The list is LOOOOONG and if you really start looking at some of the catalog type vendors, you will find most of the popular curriculums as well as manipulatives, books, etc. to enhance everything you choose.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 3:30pm

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FYI about the state's cut-off date for kindergarten: I believe a child must turn 5 on or before (or maybe just before) September 1. I don't think the cutoff is in June. I looked into this a long time ago because Ruby's birthday is in mid-August. If you need me to, I can find this for you on the state's education web site.

Elizabeth
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Gretchen

Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 3:50pm

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The state's requirement for kindergarten is: "at least five years of age prior to 12:01am on September 1 of the school year". So, Carissa, if Johnny is not eligible this year, I'll be your "guinea pig" for the IDEA program and tell you all about our experience with it. We have enrolled.

About the meeting on Thursday night -- when I was speaking with Lisa she wanted me to encourage anyone who was comfortable with the decision to go ahead and submit an online enrollment asap. That way, at the meeting on Thursday night, which I think is really meant to be an orientation for new members, she can help you fill our your ILP, and get that submitted so that you can start ordering your curriculum, supplies, computer, etc. If you're not ready to do that, then she invites everyone to come and talk to her and get more information before deciding.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 4:29pm

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Thanks Gretchen,

I wasn't sure as it didn't apply to us as homeschoolers, and they all didn't know because they came here from other states. We had a few dates thrown out there at the meetings, but no one was positive.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 4:46pm

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I also want to make the point to people that if you sign up you are not obligated to stay for the whole year. If you signed up right now. And say by December you were like hey this isn't for me, you can withdrawal. And what that means is you would have to return all your non consumable items, like your computer, printer and any hard back books and supplies. Workbooks and paper products that could not be used again would not need to be returned.

I really encourage people to come to the meeting if you can, this is a learning experience for everyone. For the people who have already signed up Lisa will be helping with ILP's and forms. And for those looking for more information about the program the REPs like myself and other's will be there to help get you more detailed information with the help of Lisa.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 5:08pm

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Dawn, the info about the meeting on Thursday is fairly buried amidst all the many replies to this thread. It might be more effective to get the word out about this meeting if you posted a new thread with the relevant info. I don't know if most people are like me, but I usually just skim long threads and don't read everything.

Elizabeth
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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 5:08pm

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When I said that IDEA-NM was being given a hard time I meant specifically CAPE-NM and HSLDA. Both because they should know better and they have the ability to reach so many people. This could have been used as an opportunity by CAPE to discuss homeschooling and how it should serve families instead they tried to frighten everyone away. HSLDA took my money (and several thousand other people) for almost seven years and now they tell me that they would not have helped me. This has got to be slightly dishonest.

Yes, Katrine I did meet you last Friday and I look foward to seeing you this weekend.

I am going to be a Family Rep for IDEA but only because they would not allow me to represent the program without pay. I only wanted to help spread the word on this great program and to do so have to become a paid employee and work through the training.

I think that anyone that is interested should register or at least attend a meeting to find out the truth about the program. It really is not anything to be afraid of. It is easy to opt out if you find out that it does not suit you. I have yet to meet a family that did not like the program once they started it. The only families that left the program left homeschooling altogether.

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Loretta Eaton

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 5:43pm

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Well said Loretta, I was like you, I actually felt uncomfrotable about being paid by IDEA, I just wanted to spread the word about this great oppertunity and try to get the truth out there and Lisa said that I was so motivated that I would make a great family REP. So I figured why not it sounded like a great oppertunity.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 5:45pm

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What thread should I post the info about the meeting?
Thanks

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 5:53pm

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Dawn, you can put a new thread in whatever board you think is appropriate for the announcement. Here in Homeschool discussion, or under Around Town or whatever. Let me know if you have trouble figuring out how to post it & I'd be happy to help.

Elizabeth
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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 6:10pm

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You know, I was shocked to hear someone was going to pay me! Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to accept it as we could use it right now, but I never thought that they would. I had considered doing K12 in Hawaii and thought about doing it for them....but I hate selling....it's just not in me. They only gave you a discount on your kids packages, so I didn't figure IDEA would do anything since they were free. I'm excited, not just for the program for my kids, but I haven't had a job outside my kids for 9 years now. It's nice to feel like I'm contributing to my families income, even if it's a little. I know it's not right, but I get the whole,"oh so you don't work then" comment alot when I tell people I'm an at home mom. I work, I just don't get paid for it. Now, I have a job I can be proud of, and something to tell them too. It just makes me feel good, and I think mom's deserve a that too.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 6:14pm

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 6:24pm

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Gretchen you made my day!!! I had a good laugh about that.

I just got off the listgroup for one of the local associations I belong to and told them I'm not interested in discussing it any further on there but that I would be happy to take private emails. That way, I can just hit the delete button for the ones that want to harrass me. I'm tired of having to defend my character just because I gave them a head's up. I know people have fears about this, and I don't care if you choose not to join, but some people are just getting irrational about the whole situation. It's a shame. I hate to see some of the parents who might be helped by this, persuaded against it. WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALOOOOOOONG

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 7:26pm

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Just want to remind everyone that we try to be respectful of EVERYONE on this board, including HSDLA. I don't feel comfortable telling people they can't name-call the IDEA supporters if I say it's fine to call HSDLA dishonest. Let's try to keep things positive if at all possible.

Elizabeth
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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 7:52pm

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Not trying to fight with you Elizabeth, but isn't it fair to call them dishonest about how they treated Loretta and others in Alaska? I know I'm on the IDEA end of things, so this may sound bias, but IDEA hasn't done anything to anyone here in New Mexico and we're getting slammed just for mentioning it. I don't see where that is the same as alerting someone of something a corporation has done to them.

I'm new to IDEA, but if they have done something dishonest to someone that someone on here knows about (and not just rumors from what another organization says) than I, for one, would like to hear about it. I may be starting to work for them, but I don't trust them implicitly. I'm going to have to see how the program works myself. It sounds great, and after meeting everyone, I doubt there will be a problem, but for all of us starting this venture, it's a trial period.

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 10:58pm

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Katrina, I'll try to say this very clearly: on this board, we treat everyone with respect. That's means keeping negative opinions to yourself, no matter how valid or "fair" you think it is to express them. This is explained on the registration page.

There's a reason why IDEA (and you) have not been attacked on this homeschooling board as you may have been on others. It isn't because everyone on this board agrees with you. Far from it. But we do follow a strict rule of, for want of a better word, kindness. There are other forums that tolerate a more outspoken debate, but not this one. You're welcome to continue posting on this forum only as long as you can adhere to the rule of kindness.

If you'd like to discuss it further, you can contact me privately.

Elizabeth
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Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 11:11pm

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I hope you don't think I meant anything mean by it, I was just wondering. I understand that you don't want fighting on here. I've looked back at my posts and didn't see anything that was negative towards either group. I have made my comments on other places, but not on here. I was just mentioning that I saw Loretta's comment as more of a review. If I've said something wrong, please let me know. Maybe I'm just reading your post wrong, as it's very easy to do online. It just seemed hostile. I'm not trying to make anyone mad.

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Gretchen

Posted on: September 2nd, 2006, 11:25pm

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Katrina, it was me who crossed the line and not you. I believe Elizabeth was just being kind in not naming names. I have deleted my post, and I offer my apologies.

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Posted on: September 3rd, 2006, 12:57am

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Can someone please tell me how to remove myself from receiving updates of ongoing threads?

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Posted on: September 3rd, 2006, 1:38am

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CLick on your name and under your profile, and then go down to the "modify your notifications". You should be able to alter it there.

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